tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post2354348408658869229..comments2024-02-19T05:18:27.849-05:00Comments on <center>the Q at Parkside</center>: A Little Bit About a Lot Of Things w/ UPDATEClarkson FlatBedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13463744536115119388noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-65898788396279585652013-04-11T14:31:44.797-04:002013-04-11T14:31:44.797-04:00Re: Up until recently, I thought Ebbets and Patio ...Re: <b>Up until recently, I thought Ebbets and Patio Gardens were projects. </b> <br /><br />This is exactly what I had pointed out in the comments section for the rumored TD Bank. The complex name is Ebbets Field Apartments, not Ebbets Houses, and the complex are not under NYCHA. (NB: You can tell what is a NYCHA complex because there will be a sign that states that.) Neither is Patio Gardens. I will keep posting that whenever I see it until people get it straight. :)<br /><br />Re: Height of buildings - I'm very surprised that no one pointed out the height of Tivoli Towers on Franklin Avenue (http://ilovefranklinave.blogspot.com/2010/11/makeover-on-way-for-crown-heights.html). The complex that is Tivoli Towers is even higher than both Patio Gardens and Ebbets Field and it is much higher than its immediate surroundings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-3950275791462275582013-04-10T18:00:30.331-04:002013-04-10T18:00:30.331-04:00Patio Gardens looks MUCH better since ownership ch...Patio Gardens looks MUCH better since ownership changed from the charitable foundation that used to run it. FWIW I photographed a beautiful apartment there recently that will be on the Jund 2nd house tour.Bob Marvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12734112800580467028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-43292286612674359772013-04-10T14:49:48.760-04:002013-04-10T14:49:48.760-04:00yeah, it's kinda depressing to those of us who...yeah, it's kinda depressing to those of us who live in Patio Gardens that that's what people think. but really, now. they don't look THAT bad!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-6492113790269717012013-04-10T14:35:37.317-04:002013-04-10T14:35:37.317-04:00Up until recently, I thought Ebbets and Patio Gard...Up until recently, I thought Ebbets and Patio Gardens were projects.Ooopsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-21007732458672786252013-04-10T14:02:49.533-04:002013-04-10T14:02:49.533-04:00@JDB you obviously haven't been into Patio Gar...@JDB you obviously haven't been into Patio Gardens. Nothing about it is "suburban" unless you want to argue the gang signs in the stairwell are part of your normal "suburban" experience. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-83199886531522323842013-04-05T12:17:37.630-04:002013-04-05T12:17:37.630-04:00Ebbets and Patio are excellent reasons TO take a l...Ebbets and Patio are excellent reasons TO take a longer view of what's going on here. When you put up a single building, without considering what it means in the big picture, you forget that you're forever changing the future with the present. That's why City's plan. That's why they zone. That's why visionaries get the label, and autocrats get forever derided through history.<br /><br />I don't have a degree in any of this stuff. I don't even think I have particularly good taste. All I'm saying is that's it's not a small deal to let somebody, anybody, change the skyline forever.<br /><br />Clarkson FlatBedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13463744536115119388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-62766659368453082302013-04-05T10:51:50.214-04:002013-04-05T10:51:50.214-04:00I am not saying that the height issue shouldn'...I am not saying that the height issue shouldn't be discussed. I was joking a bit with my comment about ultimate frisbee. Personally I have no problem with high rises along Flatbush or Empire. Very few of the buildings there are so unique or historic that I would be up in arms if they were torn down for modern housing that is very needed in the hood. <br /><br />I agree with you Q that there is a great need for middle income housing. I would much rather have middle income housing created rather than go the way of Park Slope and so restrict development that it causes prices to skyrocket and become an area where only the rich can live. <br /><br />Also the buildings along Prospect Park West going toward Grand Army Plaza are not exactly small and can easily be seen from many areas of the Park. <br /><br />I don't understand the comments about the Ebbets Field Houses and Patio Gardens. Those two complexes are so massive they completely dominate there surroundings. There is no retail at the ground floor of Patio Gardens and it is cut off from the rest of the nabe and the street. It is a suburban apartment complex thrown in the middle of a vibrant urban street. To me that building is a disaster. JDBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-86658039736741272792013-04-05T10:09:01.493-04:002013-04-05T10:09:01.493-04:00"if the building does end up as a glass facad..."if the building does end up as a glass facade...I am appalled"<br /><br />I was at a meeting with Alison Novak who told us that the building would be brick. She seemed quite proud that there;s be none of that awful synthetic stucco used on so many new buildings.Bob Marvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12734112800580467028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-23971395004345186152013-04-05T01:30:23.373-04:002013-04-05T01:30:23.373-04:00I like the building as a building but, if the buil...I like the building as a building but, if the building does end up as a glass facade, as a birdwatcher I am appalled. During migration birds strike glass buildings at an alarming rate. Though this building isn't directly bordering the park it may still reflect the green foliage and attract birds who mistake the reflection for real foliage.<br /><br />http://www.nycaudubon.org/project-safe-flight<br /><br />So Q in your discussions with parties to the project could you ask how they may address this issue?<br /><br />The buildings around Central Park may not affect ultimate frisbee enthusiasts but the buildings do affect the natural enviornment cutting off early morning and late afternoon light.WinFlatBedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18306949752706893421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-32444527376410992822013-04-04T15:54:03.735-04:002013-04-04T15:54:03.735-04:00FYI, the rendering is not of the proposed building...FYI, the rendering is not of the proposed building at 626 Flatbush. It's a long discarded idea for Lincoln Road that I used to illustrate the HEIGHT of the project only. Just want to be clear, lest a rumor start that the Hudson building looks like that...Clarkson FlatBedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13463744536115119388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-85637086113645431242013-04-04T15:44:13.104-04:002013-04-04T15:44:13.104-04:00I think it's a shame Flatbush residents didn&#...I think it's a shame Flatbush residents didn't have the foresight to do what Park Slope Residents did. There's been a good deal of new construction in the hood, and none of the new buildings are as vastly out of proportion as this to their surrounding neighborhood. The difference, for me in the development booms in Williamsburg and downtown brooklyn, is those areas for the most part are commercial/business/formerly industrial areas. They're not adjacent to a big gorgeous park in those neighborhoods. This park is Olmstead & Vaux's crowning achievement (widely considered superior to Central Park). The patio gardens were a major change, sure, but they were built within, rather than dominant to the landscape. Same thing goes for the Ebbets Houses, they're not dramatically taller than the neighborhood as this sterile unimaginative glass display case looks to be. It looks soooo out of place in that rendering. Pbbbtttht to this. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-74501592269101526732013-04-04T15:16:00.145-04:002013-04-04T15:16:00.145-04:00agreed on all points. The difference? The park. Th...agreed on all points. The difference? The park. That's what I'm talking about. Agreed on Empire, though I don't think one needs to go from fast food to high rise. I think a mix of affordable and market low rise is the way to go. I think some folks may be forgetting that a major crisis of housing exists, and not just low income. Middle income Brooklynites are being squeezed, and the development along 4th Avenue is NOT affordable to most, say, teachers or non-profit workers. What if we were to become THE middle class neighborhood, one that retains its current flavor, mix of cultures, low income residents, and doesn't just go out of its way to court upscale development? It's a question...I'm honestly not looking to argue.Clarkson FlatBedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13463744536115119388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-54447029185010869322013-04-04T15:08:37.959-04:002013-04-04T15:08:37.959-04:00I'm all for dense development along transit li...I'm all for dense development along transit lines, and this, the Lincoln Rd. development and 123 Parkside are all perfect candidates for that kind of building. And nobody's being kicked out to do it. Yes, this development will change the economics and demographics of the neighborhood, but it won't do it overnight by any mean, and if it creates a cleaner and less socially dysfunctional flatbush then it's a huge positive. What I'd like even better is if Empire could be upzoned like 4th avenue was, and we could replace fast-food row with high rise development and ground-floor commercial. I would happily drive a bulldozer right through that Wendy's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-60488992905240290382013-04-04T14:05:24.359-04:002013-04-04T14:05:24.359-04:00JDB: There are many differences between the parks,...JDB: There are many differences between the parks, and between the boroughs. I wouldn't suggest that the longterm plan for areas along Prospect Park shouldn't include highrises. But once you break a psychological barrier, look out. Witness all the highrises going up in Downtown Brooklyn. Good thing? My opinion is yes. Yours might differ.<br /><br />And witness the wild building boom of Williamsburg, which I've dubbed "Delirious Williamsburg" for its zaniness, high prices and attempts to use every available space in unusual and kooky ways.<br /><br />The great visionaries of Prospect Park could never have imagined skyscrapers and cell towers breaking the horizon. That was absolutely on the minds of landmarkers in Park Slope when they set their neighborhood in "stone" for all times. Obviously our neighborhood can go a different direction, and I'm not sure I don't agree that we could benefit from a different mindset. However, I don't agree at all that it's a minor issue. <br /><br />We're talking about a major development in the visual experience of the greatest City in the world (well, top 5 at least). I'm just surprised that there is no review process required, and that not even a non-binding one is being suggested.Clarkson FlatBedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13463744536115119388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-24831493098360812282013-04-04T13:43:24.047-04:002013-04-04T13:43:24.047-04:00Glad you got to speak with Alison. She is great a...Glad you got to speak with Alison. She is great and very open about their plans and process. The nabe is lucky that she will be so heavily involved.<br /><br />As far as the height of the building - there is this little park in Manhattan that people seem to like and you can see tall buildings all around it. I don't think seeing a building on Flatbush is going to ruin anyone's ultimate frisbee game in Prospect Park. JDBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-3694582899373055932013-04-03T13:56:45.402-04:002013-04-03T13:56:45.402-04:00Any update on the renaming of Ocean Ave to Prospec...Any update on the renaming of Ocean Ave to Prospect Park East?Jeremy Zilarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00220091638218662495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-72881216781551966972013-04-03T13:25:20.875-04:002013-04-03T13:25:20.875-04:00You are right Q, the limited seating space at Tugb...You are right Q, the limited seating space at Tugboat is disruptive especially when its so frigid outside like today. Having a new cafe with more seating may help me switch allegiances. Although usually i can grab my coffee and bagel from Tugboat and enjoy it in the park. Also more food items like sandwiches and anything made on a hot stove would surely have me spending my hard earned money each weekend. Thanks for the updates. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-41919604876606268802013-04-03T11:39:01.362-04:002013-04-03T11:39:01.362-04:00The update is that the fellas are still working on...The update is that the fellas are still working on it and will open soon. I'm not going to put a date on it til they give me one. There's plenty of room for more than one joint, particularly if this new place has a wider variety of offerings and more space to sit. I wouldn't worry. Competition is usually good, and if anything, if both places are good, it will be good for both. If you look at other neighborhoods, do you see two cafes being a bad thing? I don't! In fact, I expect the employees of one will take their breaks at the other. Mark the Q's words!<br /><br />Never fear...Clarkson FlatBedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13463744536115119388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-85419719086656098742013-04-03T11:31:05.256-04:002013-04-03T11:31:05.256-04:00Q, do you happen to have any updates on the new ca...Q, do you happen to have any updates on the new cafe supposedly moving into the old K Dog spot on Lincoln Road? It seems that Tugboat has taken all the steam out of this new cafe and they me be second guessing opening up. Tugboat is really doing amazing things for the neighborhood. It filled a hole that was badly needed. I'm worried the new cafe may be too late to the game. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-89414760787057375422013-04-03T09:43:15.384-04:002013-04-03T09:43:15.384-04:00i just updated the post cuz i got tired last night...i just updated the post cuz i got tired last night.Clarkson FlatBedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13463744536115119388noreply@blogger.com