tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post3151460582881536274..comments2024-02-19T05:18:27.849-05:00Comments on <center>the Q at Parkside</center>: Two ThingsClarkson FlatBedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13463744536115119388noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-85872868536164123342013-10-18T11:21:04.467-04:002013-10-18T11:21:04.467-04:00Peter: You can't build a building of any heigh...Peter: You can't build a building of any height in R6 around here. You'd need a gigantic lot and set it way way back to build above Patio Gardens height. I have some maximized buildings in my neck of the woods and they don't top 10 stories. Remember you need the sky plane too. Theoretically you're right; in practice, not very probable.<br /><br />I recently wrote a post on how we should copy CB8's process. I agree completely about contextual zoning being the goal. I look forward to adding that emphasis to the process.<br /><br />Please, though (and this is a message to all) let's stop pretending we know what a majority or minority of people think on the issue. No poll or vote has been taken. It just makes people mad when you do that. Let's keep it to our own opinions, or say "a majority of my friends" or something like that. I've heard from tons of folks on both sides, and I have no clue which side holds a majority.<br /><br />I will tell you this. I have yet to hear from anyone who is (maybe "was" is the right term now that it's happening) opposed to building at 626 completely. Maybe they're out there, but I haven't heard a peep. So as long as we're talking about a matter of a few extra stories of height, maybe we can keep in mind that we're generally on the same page.<br /><br />Regardless of which opinion you have, I think you can agree that it is a big change (good or bad!) to the character of Flatbush to build that high. You may favor such a change, or be horrified by it. But no one can possibly argue that the character and dare I say demographics will change the minute it's completed.Clarkson FlatBedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13463744536115119388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-30577615974122436352013-10-18T10:45:34.432-04:002013-10-18T10:45:34.432-04:00Changing the zoning from R7 (or technically, "...Changing the zoning from R7 (or technically, "R7-1") to R6 would NOT prevent the possibility of a 23 story building. There is no height limit in R6 zoning. R6 allows less floor area to be built, but it doesn't have a height limit. If you have a large enough lot, you could still build a 23-story building with R6 zoning.<br /><br />I thought the point of this letter was to ask for contextual zoning on Flatbush. If that is the case, there are several zoning designations that permit 6-story buildings similar to the older buildings on Flatbush. For instance there is an R7A zoning designation that has a maximum height limit of 80 feet (about 8 stories with setbacks on the upper floors). <br /><br />Anyway I would sign on to such a letter IF, instead of asking for reactive down-zoning in response to a single project that a minority of people don't like, it asked for a comprehensive review and revision of the current zoning in CB9. City Planning did that for CB14 a few years ago (see here: http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/flatbush/index.shtml) and did a big chunk of CB8 (see here: http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/crown_heights_west/index.shtml) so the community board should be telling City Planning that it's our turn.peternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-33213022135924859332013-10-17T12:29:20.170-04:002013-10-17T12:29:20.170-04:00Anon: Not sure who you are, and I don't know w...Anon: Not sure who you are, and I don't know who you are refering to when you say no on in support of downzoning knew about it. Plenty of people knew about it! So...who are you and who are you representing?<br /><br />The letter came from the Community Board. That's who is resending it.<br /><br />You can find out more about zoning on the City's site. Zoning is not strictly a matter of height. You can build taller if you set your building back from the street (witness Patio Gardens) and if you have a bigger footprint (witness Patio Gardens) or if you layer the building like a cake, but it's all about FAR (which allows different heights per area for each zoning number).<br /><br />The letter describes downzoning one notch from 7 to 6 and would mean that Hudson wouldn't have been able to build 23 stories. I don't know exactly how tall...probably around Patio's height, but I'm not a planner, architect or developer so I couldn't say exactly.<br /><br />My block is R6, and what that means generally is a height of 5 or 6 stories. Again, the 6 of the zone number and the number of stories is coincidentally similar, leading many folks to conflate the two. (like R2 to mean 2 stories for instance). Clarkson FlatBedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13463744536115119388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-31368625250408952082013-10-17T12:25:51.939-04:002013-10-17T12:25:51.939-04:00Also to address the claim on another thread Patio ...Also to address the claim on another thread Patio Gardens is not 17 stories tall - I've been inside the building many times to a friend's top floor apartment and it's on the 17th floor. That's what the button says right there in the elevator, 17.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-910152408027029952013-10-17T12:18:29.901-04:002013-10-17T12:18:29.901-04:00I wonder who drafted that letter and was in charge...I wonder who drafted that letter and was in charge of its sending (or nonsending) when none of the people weighing in here in support of downzoning even knew about it? It's strange. Also how much downzoning are they asking for, can we find out before there is any further discussion of it? Because I don't know where I'd stand not knowing that. I am pro-development but would support capping heights at 17 stories which is what Patio Gardens is right now. But not allowing anything higher than 4 or 6 stories or something like that, that's too extreme for me to support. It's not that everything is about what I think, hardly, I'm just giving myself as an example of what the middle might look like on the issue. Which may be a typical stance for a lot of people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-6853951318541118112013-10-17T07:09:07.295-04:002013-10-17T07:09:07.295-04:00The letter was meant to begin a process. That proc...The letter was meant to begin a process. That process was to consider changing the zoning from R7 to R6. There are many steps to that process, and that was step one. We're basically still at step one. Therefore, no changes have been made. It's a remarkable story of a missed opportunity for the neighborhood to use a simple process to define its own future. Clarkson FlatBedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13463744536115119388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1541468051247516447.post-41833972383937940372013-10-16T22:31:34.364-04:002013-10-16T22:31:34.364-04:00so would resending the letter have any effect on t...so would resending the letter have any effect on the 626 project as planned? Or does the fact that they filed plans as of right mean that they're in the clear to build 23 stories, regardless of what the community says?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com