The Q at Parkside

(for those for whom the Parkside Q is their hometrain)

News and Nonsense from the Brooklyn neighborhood of Lefferts and environs, or more specifically a neighborhood once known as Melrose Park. Sometimes called Lefferts Gardens. Or Prospect-Lefferts Gardens. Or PLG. Or North Flatbush. Or Caledonia (west of Ocean). Or West Pigtown. Across From Park Slope. Under Crown Heights. Near Drummer's Grove. The Side of the Park With the McDonalds. Jackie Robinson Town. Home of Lefferts Manor. West Wingate. Near Kings County Hospital. Or if you're coming from the airport in taxi, maybe just Flatbush is best.

Sunday, June 2, 2013

Triple Shooting on Lenox

As if to illustrate the need the point in the previous post and comments, just minutes ago a triple shooting took place on the north side of Lenox. Not sure about fatalities yet. Police have close off the block between Flatbush and Bedford. Helicopters above. Rumors abound. I won't pretend to guess what actually happened, and the info I do have is just from three separate reports off various wires. The cops wouldn't let us anywhere near the apartment building.

By the way, you're free to email me with info you're uncomfortable sending to the cops. At this point my phone is full of numbers of law enforcement people, so what the hey, why not make them useful.

57 comments:

Anonymous said...

I live across the street from where the cops have used paper cups to mark bullet casings (27 Lenox). It seems at least one of the shooting victims was ok, sitting up with a leg wound as he was loaded into an ambulance. Keep us posted on the scanner news Q? Lots of sad and worried neighbors out here.

MadMommaCarmen said...

Damn. Just damn.

Anonymous said...

Unrelated, but last weekend I saw a whole slew of police rush a building on the middle of that block on the north side. Headed back to flatbush an ambulance turned up the road as well.

josh

Anonymous said...

I am moving. In the next few months. Not because of this, but being robbed recently, the experience at the police station, and watching the same cops respond to other things afterward. It is just too depressing and I don't want my kid here. I will buy in this neighborhood. But not now. Maybe in 5 years. I am sorry to say all of this.

Anonymous said...

A block away from me.. I can't believe that i pay 1250 for a one bedroom to live in this shit.

Fuck you, New York City.

Anonymous said...

Not a helpful attitude. New York City has a lower crime rate than most big cities.

- Rolls Eyes - said...

" Anonymous said...

A block away from me.. I can't believe that i pay 1250 for a one bedroom to live in this shit.

Fuck you, New York City."


Awww, poor you.

Clarkson FlatBed said...

Yes, it's pretty horrible. I have been watching the crime feeds though, and it's been tough out there. A move to many neighborhoods will be a move sideways. You'll definitely have to spend some dough to step out of the fray. Good luck.

Meanwhile, let's take it as a call to (un)arms. Please show up on the 12th at 40 Clarkson.

Anonymous said...

Oh, right, I should be thrilled that i pay an insane amount of money to put up with people being shot in broad day light a block away.

You guys are right; i have nothing to complain about. Everything is great.

And, yeah, crime rates are lower in other cities, but if you pay 1250 in any other big city not named San Francisco, you are getting a palace for that price not rodents, roaches and thugs with guns. New York is a rip off. Stay safe everyone...

Anonymous said...

To FU NYC
We have the lowest crime rate of any large city in the United States.

So if you want no crime? Move to the "heartland" put up with Michelle Bachmann and her ilk. Give up the Botanical Garden, Prospect Park, Brooklyn Museum, easy mass transit and walking distance to supermarkets, drugstores and oh yes some of the best medical care in the country.

NEVER BET AGAINST NEW YORK.

Anonymous said...

I live in the area that is cordoned off. There is a hostage negotiation van on Caton. It's very unnerving. If we didn't own I would consider moving as we have two young kids.

Anonymous said...

To FU NYC-

Please move out of NYC.

Anonymous said...

I live just down the block on Lenox ... I heard the helicopters circling and it took me a while to figure out what was going on.

I have to say, this is a little too close for comfort and am feeling very anxious. Everyone stay inside and and stay safe.

Anonymous said...

maybe it would be worth redirecting your anger at the shooters, hmmm? or if the pricetag on your apartment has you down, the landlord?

Anonymous said...

65 lenox here... friend hit in the neck but supposedly okay. Not allowed in or out of the taped area without id/proof of address.

The fucked up part is that this happened during the middle of the afternoon, right where kids play ball and neighbors hang out.

Unsettling that they still haven't caught those responsible.

- Rolls Eyes - said...

Hey, "FUCK New York City". If you don't like it here, then move. It's that simple. Get your deposit back and go find another city with a ZERO crime rate with the same amount of amenities that this neighborhood offers. I doubt you'll find one, maybe envisioned in that pea sized brain of yours, but anyway. Good luck.

Some of you treat these neighborhoods like shelters. You move in. Eat, Sleep, and Sh*t and then, you go online and EXAGGERATE the crime and the QOL. 5 years from now, when the neighborhood changes, the very same people who complained about "this" or that" will move back and REAP all of the changes that they never took part of.

In the meantime, I hope the NYPD catch the shooter. Despite all of this madness, we still live in a relatively safe neighborhood. It still has some hood elements, but not many. I hope they beef up patrols and break up any gangs in the neighborhood (if any) because this the second shooting on Lenox & Bedford since April.

Anonymous said...

I passed the scene earlier and turned on tunein radio to find out what was happening. Last i heard, it was reported that a "perp" was reported in the lobby of a building on Caton with a gun on his front waist. The cops called for the area to be blocked off so they can conduct a perimeter search. They said he went in and never came out.

Anonymous said...

2233 Caton Ave. A Tenant called in and said she hears someone in her apartment on the second floor. They are currently checking it out to see if it's connected to the shooting suspect.

Anonymous said...

I for one have become convinced half the crime in NYC doesn't end up on the books. I mean is there really any other explanation to why the 71st won't repeatedly arrest drug dealers like any other city would do to shut down drug corners? And you all can ridicule the person venting about their $1250 rent who wants to move but trust me, that person will not be the only one thinking that about PLG. It's the first day of June folks, this is just the beginning of the Summer season. Good luck all.

Anonymous said...

Everybody has a choice of where they live and there are always tradeoffs. The bottom line is that this neighborhood isn't very safe and one could determine that by reviewing crime stats prior to moving here. For $1,250 a month, instead of pissing and moaning, one could move to a much safer neighborhood like Midwood, Gravesend or Bay Ridge. The tradeoff of course would be a longer commute and no immediate access to the park. Nobody likes whiners.

Anonymous said...

I sill support the NYPD stop and search .Shit I hope they never stop I don't feel safe anymore walking among my own black people if I could I would move into a mostly white area and deal with raciest comments than live with people who call me sister then starting shooting an time they feel and endangering my family and myself. Thanks my black people for fucking with my head .Keep it up NYPD

Anonymous said...

Wow, I was just looking at apartments this afternoon 2 blocks from where this shooting happened!

My friend and I found a great place we are trying to jump on so I thought I would go online and do some more research on the neighborhood. I did not know about the shooting when we were down there but i did see a helicopter.

Obviously this has me worried about moving here, the apartment is great, on canton and ocean ave. How safe is this neighborhood for two mid-twenties white guys? I am moving from bed-stuy so I did not think it would be that big of a change safety wise, but bed stuy has been feeling much safer the last few years.

How bad is it down here? is this a freak occurence? The neighborhood seems very nice otherwise. Any tips would be helpful seeing as i am supposed to be signing a lease tomorrow morning!

Thanks,
Dave

Anonymous said...

Just like clockwork.

Q posts a thread about a shooting.

The first few comments sends it condolences to the victim(s). The the rest of the thread turns into shit.

Squabbles over safe or not safe. Cops catch the perp. Then we forget about it and talk about dangerous tree branches or something.

Anonymous said...

Well put, hopefully no innocents were involved.
For everyone else... Hello this is Brooklyn, not Fairfield.

Anonymous said...

@ anonymous

Hey I think asking and getting residents accounts of neighborhood safety is a pretty legit question seeing as a triple shooting just happened in broad daylight.

I am not saying this has turned me off of moving to the neighborhood, im still excited about it, but it makes you wonder and want to hear what day to day life is like from some ppl who live there.

dave

brooklynmama said...

Dave, you and your buddy should come to the nabe and be apart of the good things that are happening. there are plenty of good people that love this vibe and are excited about the possitive things that are happening. This shooting is random....and it is summer in Brooklyn.

sean said...

dave: i'm relatively new to the neighborhood. i've been here about two years. so take my comments with a grain of salt. i'm no old timer. also, threads on the Q get argumentative fast, especially about stuff like this. so expect people to give you plenty of hysterical reasons why what i'm saying is wrong and i'm a total dick. it happens. *shrug*

so at any rate, despite the understandable hysteria when something like this happens, there are people working to make it better, and it's really pretty good already.

its relatively safe, 20 something white dude or otherwise. there's been an uptick in violence since the beginning of the year but it seems like a statistical anomaly to me more than anything else. there are issues but there are issues everywhere.

most of the crime is teenage kids snatching phones. every once in a while something worse happens. seems to be happening more often lately. can't say if its a trend yet but the summer is definitely worse so keep your eyes open and see how it goes.

if you keep your wits about you and get to know the people on your street you should be okay.

I have a kid and hope to stick around and raise a family here and its not at the level yet where i'm afraid for the life of my kid or my wife. i'm not thrilled when my wife has to walk home from the 2 at night on her own. but i have to walk to the train at 4am for work and people rarely screw with me. all in all its a really good neighborhood.

if people freak out and start leaving… maybe rents will start to go down. so even better. right?

Anonymous said...

yes. all of nyc is not like being in michigan. ok. fine. but I have been fighting civil rights battles for 17 years, here, and now I have a kid, & ... sorry. I simply do not want to get shot walking down the street with my kid. I am moving. Call me what you will. I am just saying, things are bad. I am very sorry for it, and I hoped otherwise for quite a while. I am very very saddened.

Anonymous said...

i'm cool with it. when are you leaving, how many bedrooms, and what are you paying?

Anonymous said...

and hey, not for nothing, but if you'd been here 17 years i think you'd have a different perspective on it. stories i've heard about how it was just 10 years ago make it seem like mayberry now in comparison. its really not that bad.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the comments everyone. Its good to hear from ppl in the neighborhood, i really appreciate it. Hopefully gonna sign the lease tomorrow, still excited about moving here.

Dave

Anonymous said...

FWIW, the detectives who knocked on my door taking statements said they know who the perp is, but hadn't caught him (as of about 7:30pm). Here's hoping the morning news brings an arrest and a couple of healthy hospital discharges for those in the line of fire today. And we can go back to talking about who's planting new trees or making nicknames for local businesses or what to do with the Parkside Q train entrance for the rest of the summer.

Anonymous said...

i was doing a puzzle and started hearing all these helicopters but i stayed away from the window because i didn't want to get shot by a stray bullet. And when my sister ran in trying to see what was going on , i told her thats why i didn't look out there at all. after so many years in this neighborhood, sometimes there's the instinct to just keep your business to yourself, dont look around, dont look out the window, because if you know nothing you cant say nothing (anything).

Anonymous said...

You see, the cops have identified the shooter. It's just a matter of time before he is caught. Every year, it always something. Last year, that poor woman was killed on 40 Clarkson Avenue, very tragic case.

I know people are scared and the sight a swat teams and large police vehicles can be unnerving to some but if you lived here 20 years ago or even 10 years ago, these kinds of tragic events weren't anomalies. A lot has changed. So, lets keep it in perspective shall we.

Anonymous said...

All of you "I need to move oh my god crime my kids help!!!" need to STOP. NYC has had 25 shootings in the last 48 hours. What did you expect? Flowers and people hdijg hands? No. You should know it would be like this. I agree, New York City is a shithole but it could be much, much worse. At least here I can walk the streets at 10pm.

Yes, PLG has changed. It's only a matter of time before these things vanish.

You all should know that it's summer in NYC. The beasts, thugs, and criminals thrive in this heat, but they hide like rats during the winter. This is why these incidients are rart heard of in the winter. Now you know. Stay and make it better rather than overexaggerate and complain. All people do is complain. Stop.

Anonymous said...

#ppl complain about living in flatbush...i remember the days when you couldnt walk on that block..shit change alot.catch the animal

cheryl on parkside ave said...

Lived in the community 18 years. I am also a homeowner. Raised two great college educated kids. Have friends, neighbors who have also raised great and productive kids in this community. Crime is occurring all over New York, not just PLG. Instead of running we should be working together to build a better productive and safer community. Wherever you go in this beautiful nation, your children and yourself will have to deal with the best and the worst. Complaining and running solve nothing. Yes we are entitled to live in an environment that is safe/secure for our families...becoming active in your community is the answer.

Anonymous said...

The problem is Cheryl, there are people who have tried and tried to get action about blatant drug dealing and gang presence here and it hasn't worked. And now people are asking why. Sure, people who have been here 20 years see a big difference. Well we've been here 7 years and though there are more amenities arriving finally, the drug corners are exactly the same, totally unchanged in 7 years and the last two years has brought more gun violence than the previous years. So you have to understand why those who arrived within the last ten years aren't as impressed with the progress as you and other old timers are. We're not being too picky, we just literally haven't seen progress. 7 years is long enough that we can start to get annoyed.

Anonymous said...

It's frustrating to hear people come in and say that "crime happens everywhere in NYC".

Ok, great, but that's not the point. Most of us want to make sure our homes and blocks are safe for us to come home to. It has to be up to the people in different neighborhoods to fix their hood, but we have to fix ours. "Violence everywhere" is not an adequate reason to ignore the increase of violence here.

Anonymous said...

Everything takes time. I remember looking for an apartment in the NY Daily News (paper edition) and I was really seeing some great prices for Fort Greene, my room mate at the time said "I'm from NYC and I don't go to Fort Greene- Are you crazy?" A short time later, about 1989 I moved to my first apt in PLG / Flatbush. The area in general has improved tremendously. Although overall this neighborhood has always consisted of a core community of hard working middle class and working class people. My first year on Clarkson I saw at least four shootings and 4th of July outside sounded like Tel Aviv outside. I still stayed I love my neighbors, the park, the flavor of Flatbush /PLG is like a gumbo and I wouldn't move for the world. Ideally my husband and I would like to buy a home or Condo in the area. To the new residents I encourage you to continue to stay and get involved to the new resident's that are planning on leaving I wish you the best in your new community. I can guarantee you all that move you will always remember your time here and miss it. Been there- done that!

Anonymous said...

Exactly, 10:33. It really becomes too transparent that somebody is thinking only of their property values when they say so dismissively, "crime happens everywhere in NYC". That kind of denial and defensiveness was the strategy here for a long time and now it's time for a different tact. One that involves being honest and attacking the issues head on.

cheryl on parkside ave said...

Anonymous 10:21 AM. Understand you and many others fraustrattion in the PLG community. Yes, we long time residents have seen improvement not just in PLG, Ditmas, Crown Heights, Prospect Heights, Bed Stuy, Fort Green, etc, but many of the surrounding communities. I grew up in Brooklyn , and have seen enormous changes. Some good, some not so good.. Parkslope, Williamsburg, Dumbo etc, were not always as they are today. Residents of these communities worked tirelessly for many years to get them to where they are today. I wish you all the best in wherever you choose to make your next home. Those of us who remain will continue to work even harder to keep PLG a place where folks can raise their families in a decent safe and secure environment.

Anonymous said...

NY City has the lowest crime rate of any big city in the country.

Well, yes and no. If you're on the outside looking in, then City-wide -- yes. But for those who live here? Hmmm, then the parsing of location begins to have meaning.

As we all know, the vast majority of cases of violent crime occur in specific neighborhoods and the crimes are committed by the same demographic almost every time. Soooo, you can choose to live in a neighborhood where you can witness or be in the midst of crime. Or...

Or you can move to a safer neighborhood, which is not necessarily a more expensive neighborhood. Midwood, for example. Or Kensington.

True, Prospect Park isn't next door, but it's a short hop to the park by bike. And there are other recreational sides to city life that found elsewhere. The city pools, though it's true that policing the pools has become a challenge. The thugs too often try to claim them as turf.





Anonymous said...

cheryl on parkside:

Parkslope, Williamsburg, Dumbo etc, were not always as they are today...

Depends on your time line.

Park Slope was created for the gentry. Those townhouses weren't built for the indigent.

The Slope experienced a temporary slump that kicked in during the early 50s and some trouble spots remained near the perimeter of the neighborhood till the 1980s. But it never became a shooting gallery like other areas, for easy-to-understand reasons.

Williamsburg was German, Irish and Jewish since the 1800s, and life in the neighborhood was captured pretty well in Betty Smith's A Tree Grows in Brooklyn.

It wasn't until public housing was built right where Francie Nolan lived that Williamsburg suffered. But the dip in that area hardly matched the crash that pretty much destroyed neighborhoods like East New York, which is still the city's leading site for homicides.

DUMBO? Jeez, what's next door to DUMBO? The neighborhood went from a tiny population of victimized people, to a much larger population that has enjoyed the usual benefits of gentrification.

Anonymous said...

I've been a resident of Clarkson ave. since 1995, I spent my pre-teen & teenage years living on Clarkson, between Flatbush & Bedford Ave. I heard the gunshots yesterday and was like what the hell...the summer hasn't even begun!!! The neighborhood has changed for the better over the past 15 years, we even have more trees on the block and surrounding blocks. I read the comments about the shooting and all i can do is shake my head.... With all of these people complaining about crime, etc. etc. ...i don't think any of them were at the meeting at DA Hynes's office two weeks ago. The turn out was very sparse to say the least...much to my disappointment. Let's all attend these meetings and voice our complaints on that type of forum and let's all move forward towards positive change.

Anonymous said...

Also, I am offering my prayers & thoughts to the victims of the shootings....

I am truly quite disappointed at some of these comments...the neighborhood is not a fucking war zone....crime happens in all areas...

Clarkson FlatBed said...

fyi, the meeting with the d.a. was set up by me and dynishal (of 40 Lincoln) and wasn't broadcast to the whole neighborhood. it was meant to be exploratory. i told the clarkson block association about it, and dynishal told 40 lincoln and a few others. that had a lot to do with the low turnout, plus the lack of agenda.

i hope for greater participation next time around now that we have a better sense of what we're trying to accomplish.

Anonymous said...

1010 wins is reporting that the police have a 'person of interest' in custody although they haven't released whether or not that is the suspect Kevon Brown. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/06/03/police-suspect-wanted-for-triple-shooting-in-brooklyn/

--sarah

Donnie said...

They have arrested the shooter. He is now charged with 5 counts of attempted murder. Bag one for the good guys. This POS is of the streets. Everyone can now breath a sigh of relief.

Anonymous said...

I came across a new multiple choice question in one of my son's practice SAT exams:

Zurich, Switzerland is to Park Slope, Brooklyn as Kabul, Afghanistan is to ....

a) Carracas, Venezula
b) Brownsville, Brooklyn
c) Camden, New Jersey
d) Prospect Lefferts Gardens, Brooklyn

Anonymous said...

To Anon 9:02am,

Answer: All except D.

Anonymous said...

I honestly understand and respect every ones opinon, but coming from myself whom grew up my whole life on Parkside...this area is amazing I love it, if you all think for one reason your safe ANY WHERE kill yourself...things happen! No matter where you live, just walk with honor show respect and live your life to the fullest all this bickering only made me laugh...peace guidance and my condolences to those hurt and or lost..

Anonymous said...

I know that things can happen anywhere and shootings in NYC in general do not scare me.

But there is a difference between having a shooting on Linden in broad daylight and a triple shooting in Lenox, again in broad daylight, both of which are within a block of me, and say the serial killer killing at She She.

I am not one to get worried for general random crime in NYC but when there are multiple gang shootings so close to my home I dont think I am being a wuss to say I'm worried about my safety. I have lived here 5 years and 5 years ago, the shootings were not so close to home.

Anonymous said...

I am planning on moving from this neighborhood due to the large amount of violence. Does anybody have any thoughts about Portland, Oregon?

Clarkson FlatBed said...

Anon at 9:28. You just made my day. Thanks for the gut busting chuckle.

Q

Anonymous said...

Yes, mine too Anon 9:28. You made me laugh out loud. Thanks.
PmG

Anonymous said...

The shooter is in custody.